christianity.
Sunday, June 25th, 2000Look… if yur a Christian I don’t know if yoo’d want to read this, because… it will probably make yoo think about it a lot because all of it is tru. And if yoo’ve been a Christian for a while and suddenly this all comes flooding to yoo, yoo may not like it… it’ll probably make yoo doubt a lot. Fair warning. If this doesn’t sway yoo at all and yoo want to explain everything I have addressed… well… then I guess yoo have some really strong faith! And props to yoo for that… I really mean it. Actually, I can’t even believe I am writing this because I’ve been a Christian for like… five years now… but I’m still gonna write this…
It’s gotten to a point where I can go to church every Sunday, sing the songs, and even listen to the sermon… but I question nearly every minute of it all. It’s probably cuz I am a weirdo, but I can find SOME way to turn 90% of what is being said in the sermon into a way that makes sense to MEE, but totally goes against Christianity.
OK. Then we’ll start from the beginning of mai routine today. Today is a Sunday, after all. First… we sit there and have a tym of praise or whatever. But why is it that the people who have the best voices are always selected to go on stage and sing? And why is it that so many instruments and things are necessary if what is REALLY important is the words and the “state of people’s hearts and minds”? And, look around. REALLY, how MANY people meditate on the words? Half the people don’t even sing, some are busy harmonizing (oh gosh… they’re taking so much tym to make it sound good… it is very unbelievable that they’re really thinking about the words), and the others aren’t even into the ‘praise’ enough to even stop themselves from looking at the pew behind them when someone else sits down, or to whisper a few things to their friends once in a while, or to ask someone else why he or she isn’t singing. That is NOT praise!! If yoo were going to serenade someone yoo LOVED and your friend John walked happened to see yoo, yoo wouldn’t stop halfway and go “Oh! Hi John! Do yoo like this song?!” But yet it is okay to say such things during ‘worship tym’? Which brings mee to mai other point… how do yoo love something or someone yoo don’t even know? A couple of my friends have said that the song bai Savage Garden, “I Knew I Loved You Before I Met You” was impossible because yoo cannot love someone before yoo meet him or her. Personally, I thought about it a long tym, and I’ve come to the conclusion that yoo can’t love a God that ‘loves yoo so much’ to put yoo on this shitty world. Maybe I am a pessimist, but that is how I feel. Especially since God already KNOWS if or if not yoo are going to Hell or Heaven before yoo even are born. Then for so many people that live HORRIBLE lives… they were just put on the Earth to live horrible lives? That just sucks… supposedly we have a free will, but that doesn’t make sense. God knows EVERYTHING right? Then he should know if we’re going to Heaven and Hell also. How does that WORK?! How is that FAIR?
Some more about fairness, which was addressed in our sermon today… (which by the way, just proves again how contradicting the Bible even is… besides if the Bible was translated SO many times already… who is to say that what we’re reading is even what it REALLY is?! For one… many languages don’t even seperate gender… and we could even be making a mistake about if God is even a He. Seems insignificant, and it probably is, but think about how many other things could be inconsistent!) Okay well… the Bible says stuff like yoo should treat everyone equally and that kind of stuff… but if so WHY is there a CHOSEN group of people?! Just because Jesus was Jewish or whatever? So WHAT. Just because I’m Chinese doesn’t mean if people do mee wrong I am going to cast away everyone else and give the Chinese person a second chance… yoo know? More contradiction? If God forgives everyone, no matter WHAT they do, then WHY was he so angry during the Old Testament? Why did he kill so many people then for worshipping false idols and such? Why did he show himself to them? Okay so in the Old Testament he TALKED to people and made himself be known, and yet some of them still turned away while others believed. Because if the Old Testament people still didn’t believe even though they knew for a FACT that God existed, it would be the same now, and we should get the same opportunity now too!
MORE things I don’t understand?! If God made everything and everything is good, why on EARTH were some animals unclean and others clean? It doesn’t make sense! And what about Judas?! Should he be portrayed as so EVIL if he didn’t have a choice in killing Jesus or not? If he DIDN’T kill Jesus, then the Scriptures wouldn’t have been fulfilled and then the Bible would have just been a bunch of crap… and if he DID kill Jesus, then why should he be thought of as so bad and evil anyway? It was planned. He had no choice. Supposedly he had a free will but either way SOMETHING would have been off. So Judas was a case of a person that had no choice whether or not he was going to Hell, right? He WAS going, or Scriptures wouldn’t have been fulfilled, and that couldn’t have been allowed!
Other stuff that I’ve been thinking about… why are drugs so BAD for Christians (I’ve actually NEVER done drugs but I still think this)? It doesn’t say ANYTHING in the Bible about whether or not drugs are bad… they may be MORALLY wrong, but so what?! That’s just what PEOPLE think. Many PEOPLE think that dyed hair and tattoos and body piercings are MORALLY wrong too, but why are they? Drugs may be bad for yoo physically but woopdie doo, so is junk food =P Okie… well… thas it… I know this last paragraph didn’t have to do with Christianity much but I was just thinking about it ^_^ Oh yeah. And why doesn’t the Bible mention dinosaurs? Hmmm? And why do so many Christians think evolution is impossible? The Bible doesn’t say WHAT the first people looked like or anything… and yoo have to AT LEAST believe in evolution a little… there’s clearly evidence.
Oh psh… and Christians aren’t even that much better than non-Christians… -_- They dun talk any less shit and are not more caring people!!
Okay… well… I think I’ll stop now… this should give yoo MORE THAN enough to think about. I feel really really bad for writing this because I feel bad that I may have shattered someone’s faith or something but I can’t help it…
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[RESPONSES TO MY POST]
Hey, I know you’re not a weirdo by all those questions you have, because any logically thinking individual should ask those very same questions. The thing you should understand is that if there is a God, you must do everything you possibly can to gain accurate knowledge about Him.
You should also understand then that there must be only one true religion out there. There can’t be many religions out there teaching different things and all of them being true. There is one truth, so there is only one true religion. If the religion you’re in right now isn’t the real truth, you really should leave it, because they’re obviously not true Christians.
If you’re really interested, I have some information that I want to give you, because I was once in your position too. I had so many questions that didn’t have answers, but then I found the true religion. Please e-mail me back, and I can give you some information toward the truth.
- DAVID
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david, i totally disagree that there is only one true religion and only one truth…that is the argument every organized religion/philosophy claims “i am the real truth so listen to meEh and only meEh”…what a bunch of crap…as if the universe is so easily summed up…remember, the english language and most human languages are limited in explaining things that are abstract, so to say there is one truth is a concept that only we humans, with our limited mindset, could come up with…
soOphavi, i don’t think you’re wierd…i am not christian or part of any organized religion…i’ve been to christian retreats and i’ve read taoist literature…i think you are starting to pick out the parts of christianity u like, and discarding the parts that u dislike…i’m sure u know of martin luther, this german guy who lived way back, who decided that there were somethings about the catholic church he disliked (example: he didn’t see why going to church was such a big deal), so he decided to just do what he thought was important (going to church not as important as believing in god with your heart)…i believe that he started the entire trend of different sects of christianity, so u r not being anti-christian at all..
picking and mixing different religions to form your own “religion” sounds like something that you would be more comfortable with…if u would like to talk to meEh more about this and hear my views…please email meEh (make sure u put in the subject line that u wanna talk about God, or i may delete u)…take care
C.K.
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Ok. For those of u who r reading this who don’t know me. I AM CHRISTIAN. I believe all the stuff the bible says, and I uphold all my beliefs to the point that I believe it to. But I do NOT like a large number of Christians, for reasons a shall explain. Ok. now. There was this one guy on the shuttle that took us to the airport a few weeks ago. My mom had called and confirmed TWICE that he would be coming a 12:30 (he says absolutely, no problem), and that there would be plenty of room in the car, and that we were gonna be the only ones in the car. Saturday 12:30 rolls by, and he’s not here. He gets here at about 12:45, and guess what, theres luggage already in the car, and someone sitting in front. My mom questions if theres gonna be enough room, and he says I hope so. My mom tells him that he said he drove a big van, and that there was gonna be no one else. He comes up with attitude says “do you wanna sit here and argue or just leave?” and my mom tells him no thats ok, I was just saying what you said. Then he comes up and says “do you just wanna call a cab then?” and my moms like fine fine fine. We get in the car, and we start talking and bitching about it (in chinese tho, so he can’t understand). But then we decide to forget it, since we’re supposed to be on vacation. Then the guy starts preaching to the passenger about christianity and love and how people and getting so corrupt. So we’re like what the fuck???!!! So we get to the airport, and decide not to say anything else. And the guy decides to be a smart ass and starts talking with all this attitude like “maam I got you here so whats the problem? huh huh?”And my mom is like “luckily my son decided to pack a small case or it wouldnt fit. Even though u told me we had a huge van to ourselves.” and the other guy is like “well we’re here arent we? whats the problem then?” and so my mom is like”you preaching all that christian stuff hurts my ears, you with an attitude like this.” and the other guy is like “well at least i can admit my sins, can you? I can face the truth.” and he just goes off and off.
Tell me whats wrong with that picture. There are so many christians like this. They try to preace all this love and kindness and joy, and they are such assholes.
Im not saying im not mean sometimes or whatever, but I dont go around condemning other people of their sins and acting all upright.
And so many christians are like this. Ignorant fools that preach to everyone but only associate with other christianls, close their minds to the outside world and cannot accept ANYTHING else.
They reject anything scientific, on base of the bible, even if the bible itself has not said anything bad about it.
Well i could go on and on but I dont feel like typing anymore. im out.
- PHILLY
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Hey Viv, I’m a Christian and I believe the Bible from cover to cover. I agree with you on a lot of what you said. A lot of Christians just go to church cause they think its in the rules or something…and a lot don’t realize that praise is important. It is annoying how during praise people talk and stuff, but thats them. Just because they don’t realize the importance of it doesn’t mean that it should drag you down. I see people talking and everything. One Sunday the woman in front of me just stood there the whole time looking around…I mean…a lot of Christians are half hearted. They say they are Christians and are depending on getting to Heaven, but they aren’t into it or whatever. They just think that its about rules and regulations. But if you’re being half hearted then its pointless! And all the fairness stuff and about God knowing who will go to Heaven and Hell, well, I sorta understand it and am sorta confused. I guess that we all have free will, but at the same time, God knows what we will do, that doesn’t mean that He is controlling us or anything, it just means that He already knows our lives. So He knows whether or not we’ll choose Heaven or Hell I guess. And yeah, the Earth can be a horrible place(I won’t say the word you used, the Bible also has some stuff in it about foul language), but thats because of sin. The way I understand it, sin is what perpetuates the bad things that happen and all that. Besides God didn’t promise us a rose garden, our reward is in Heaven.
And about the Bible being translated…well, yeah it has been translated and wrote down and all, but its still accurate. Ok, you’ve heard of the dead see scrolls right??? Well they are like the earliest copy of parts of the Bible that they have or something. I mean they are like really really old, and in them I think there is the complete book of Isiah (which i prolly spelled wrong!), but in the scrolls and the current Bible they had, which prolly wasn’t in english, it was still word for word accuracy. I mean, I’m sure that some things changed a little between translating the Bible from Greek or whatever to English, but its basically the same. And like way back in the day when they would recopy the Bible, they were SOOOOO careful! Get this, they counted the LETTERS like halfway thru copying the Bible, and if they were off by even one letter they would throw away their copy and start over! So it has to be pretty accurate.
Okay, the Bible does mention dinosaurs as a matter of fact. Somewhere in Job it talks about one, it says it has bones of iron and something about a tail like a tree trunk…and like my Bible isn’t a very good translation, and it says that its a Hippo, but like in the King James Version it says Behemoth, so its a dinosaur. And there are some others in there too I think, but I don’t know right off where at. I’ll find the passage in Job and some others if you want. Ok, and by the way, according to the Bible the world is only like 6,000 years old, and yeah it sounds crazy, but there is some really good evidence for it! Hey, check out this website—
http://www.studentministries.net/fbc.htm
When you get there go over to the left where it says evidence for Christianity. Its close to the top, right under where its says Reach, in the green box. Click on it, and read some of the stuff you get too. I mean, there’s all kinds of stuff in there! Maybe it can clear up some of your questions. I mean, I’m not like, Mr. Info, I don’t know all the answers, but hey, my e-mail address is: bdsayers13@hotmail.com So if you wanna talk, ask questions or whatever, e-mail me, and I’ll be more than glad to talk! And by the way, the so called Christians who are so not acting Christ like, well, thats not the way all of us are. Maybe you just haven’t met any Christians who are really walking their talk, but they are around, believe me. A lot aren’t what they claim to be and they give the rest of us a bad name. Hey, I hope you’ll e-mail me…I’ll be praying for you and that God will grant you a deeper understanding and clear your doubts. And I’m not joking about that or just saying it cause its my duty or whatever, I’m serious about it. ~~~~~God bless you!~~~~
- BRYAN SAYERS